Posts by Half banana

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Has the WT ever said it's okay to steak rare?

by neverendingjourney in

i'm revisiting an old topic here, but this was a subject of much confusion for me when i was still a witness.

i went to a spanish congregation in the u.s. and it seemed to be taken for granted by most that you needed to cook beef thoroughly to "get rid" of the blood.

i was surprised when i learned that folks in the english speaking hall would order a steak medium-rare and think nothing of it.. it wasn't until after i left the witnesses that it started to occur to me that if the red fluid that was present when you'd cut the beef was blood, cooking it thoroughly wouldn't get rid of it, it'd just cook it and transform it into another color.

Half banana

Quite so Splash.

@ Tiki,it just demonstrates the utter stupidity when JWs might say Noah was allowed to eat meat but not the blood.

For goodness sake JWs: Wake up! Noah is just a character from a book of fiction..............................................

Like for example as Big Ears said to Noddy;

"When you make road kill in your toy car you can eat all of the meat on the deer but the great Invisible Wizard in the sky says you mustn't drink its blood".

"Why is that Big Ears?"

" 'Cos the Invisible sky Wizard is big on not drinking blood".

"And what happens if we drink it?" Said Noddy

"He'll come down and smite you and you'll never drive your toy car again" said Big Ears"

"Blimey!" said Noddy, "I don't fancy this Sky God bloke".

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the rumor again surfaces....

by sowhatnow in

someone please tell me how or if i can find proof that the rumor [that is pasted below] that was posted by a friend [still in, but should know better] on my face book page is false, [which of course we all know it is,] this makes me so angry, i have to stick my neck out and comment on this post but need something to back me up....anyone want to enlighten me where this got started?

i need proof he never said such a thing, it seems to me its false.

whats interesting is this, the bible in the photo accompanying the statement below is the latest version.... [photo].

Half banana

(wrong thread)

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Has the WT ever said it's okay to steak rare?

by neverendingjourney in

i'm revisiting an old topic here, but this was a subject of much confusion for me when i was still a witness.

i went to a spanish congregation in the u.s. and it seemed to be taken for granted by most that you needed to cook beef thoroughly to "get rid" of the blood.

i was surprised when i learned that folks in the english speaking hall would order a steak medium-rare and think nothing of it.. it wasn't until after i left the witnesses that it started to occur to me that if the red fluid that was present when you'd cut the beef was blood, cooking it thoroughly wouldn't get rid of it, it'd just cook it and transform it into another color.

Half banana

R u a jw then Splash?

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Australian RC - Hot topic

by punkofnice in

i have listened to segments of the hearing.. i am really impressed with the way the rc are well informed about jw procedure and the 'flock book'.. does anyone know how the rc got so clued up?

are they just that good at what they do?

(not saying they're not).. have 'mentally diseased apostates(tm)' been of use to the rc?.

Half banana

What is apparent is the contrast with of the “wait on Jehovah” type of JW mentality vs the rigorous investigation of the lawyers. When confronted by the hard issues in the real world the org looks pathetic. JWs can hardly imagine how professional people have not only to study hard to get where they are but are then enabled to assess any legal situation by understanding how all societies work both civil and religious and know how power is maintained and deployed within them.

To permit abuse of the innocent by the 'two witnesses' rule and permitting abusers remain in the congs; is glaring evidence that the JWorg does not care for its people. Perhaps now the world and JWs too are being informed of this?

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Has the WT ever said it's okay to steak rare?

by neverendingjourney in

i'm revisiting an old topic here, but this was a subject of much confusion for me when i was still a witness.

i went to a spanish congregation in the u.s. and it seemed to be taken for granted by most that you needed to cook beef thoroughly to "get rid" of the blood.

i was surprised when i learned that folks in the english speaking hall would order a steak medium-rare and think nothing of it.. it wasn't until after i left the witnesses that it started to occur to me that if the red fluid that was present when you'd cut the beef was blood, cooking it thoroughly wouldn't get rid of it, it'd just cook it and transform it into another color.

Half banana

Perhaps to want to cook red meat until it’s no longer red, is an aspect of JW thinking to somehow show respect for the belief that Big J doesn’t want humans to eat any blood. Blood taboo is just one of those primitive things which keep primitive people cosily together in their closed primitive societies.

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I wonder if French JWs eat Steak tartare that is minced and completely uncooked and served with a raw egg on top?

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Was this the garden of Eden/Noah's flood?

by little_Socrates in

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm.

jeffrey rose, an archaeologist and researcher with the university of birmingham in the u.k., says that the area in and around this "persian gulf oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the indian ocean around 8,000 years ago.

rose's hypothesis introduces a "new and substantial cast of characters" to the human history of the near east, and suggests that humans may have established permanent settlements in the region thousands of years before current migration models suppose.. .

Half banana

@Crazyguy, yes, I was referring to the new global experience of abundant rainwater after the end of the last, very dry Ice Age episode.

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Seduction, psychosis and radicalisation

by Half banana in

the jw delusion is a psychosis i.e.

the holding on to a belief irrespective of sound evidence to the contrary.

it has everything to do with the indulgent pleasure of embracing an all encompassing idea which promises to resolve every human frailty and inconvenience.

Half banana

Strong Haiku I am in complete agreement that education and critical thinking should be promoted and who doesn’t? But those still in are not exposed to the need for these two vital components of modern living. It is an enormous incongruity in my mind that the new buildings of the WTS at Patterson include an “Education Centre”---they have no idea what education means!

By chance my JW daughter was able to visit me at the weekend. She had not been for about four years although I have spoken with her many times. She has been affected adversely by the cult but struggles on in her own life quietly conforming to the paternalism of the GB who are her chosen substitute father.

I adore my daughter, she is twenty seven, beautiful and intelligent but aimless in life. We had a good time together but always with an emotional restraint operating. I dared to talk about the JW org and planted a logical seed. Immediately I was rebuked for bringing the subject up and was told that is the reason she does not normally visit since I was told that I always speak out against the org. The last time I did broach the matter, I remember clearly it was nine years ago!

Nevertheless like all JWs there is a constraint operating emotionally and logically which tends to render all of them (us once upon a time) distant and with a mental narrative running at odds with normal human life. I tried to work on it and talk of the deep motivations in life but the hypersensitisation kicks in and no progress is made. No awakening... only resistance and the taking of offence.

This might now result in permanent shunning of me to please the evil masters of the cult.

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Well written, scathing article that summarises first 3 days of RC hearing.

by Pants of Righteousness in

there's been quite a number newspaper articles quoted over the past week, but i would recommend this as a good summary of the first three days of the royal commission hearing in australia - complete with some scathing commentary.. apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but have not seen this posted previously.. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/08/01/royal-commission-examines-jehovah-witnesses-cover/14383512002194.

just one thing that is not quite right is that the article refers to joe bello as a narrogin elder.

the assualts took place while the victim was part of the narrogin congregation.

Half banana

The writer of the report Martin McKenzie Murray should be made an honorary member of the ex JW community!

He certainly let rip against the cult...let's have more please, both here in the UK and in USA and Canada.

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Was this the garden of Eden/Noah's flood?

by little_Socrates in

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm.

jeffrey rose, an archaeologist and researcher with the university of birmingham in the u.k., says that the area in and around this "persian gulf oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the indian ocean around 8,000 years ago.

rose's hypothesis introduces a "new and substantial cast of characters" to the human history of the near east, and suggests that humans may have established permanent settlements in the region thousands of years before current migration models suppose.. .

Half banana

Whilst what you say Crazy guy is perfectly true this is not the direction to go if you are attempting to interpret a myth.

If one were familiar with Quaternary geology i.e. the prevailing geological period, or more specifically the Holocene epoch which covers the last twelve thousand years; it is simply a matter of normalcy that rivers flood. I have hands-on experience of describing flood events in a proto river Thames at 230,000 years before present. Any of these events could have caused deaths and folk with boats could survive an inundation. It could also create local legends of survival and renewal. However I suggest that the Biblical Flood is not one of these but does nevertheless describe the consequences of a literal global event. (It takes more than a quick post to explain convincingly!) Evidentially determined Earth- sciences do not allow for the possibility of a global flood within the last 2.6 million years of the Quaternary... and local flood events are legion.

As you say CalebinF there are a number of different types of myth which is an important distinction to make when discussing a folk tales, legends or traditional stories etc.

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wt study "Power of Christ"

by prologos in

it is all about the bible story, alleged miracles of jesus.

not one miraculously replicated since, so:.

final comment by senior elder: "that we have these powerful miracle of the christ is a guarantee for it to happen in the new system.

Half banana

All "Sun" gods turn water into wine!

In the gospels, Jesus is claimed to have changed water into wine during the wedding at Cana as proof of his divinity.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that this same story is found in other mythologies and is part of the solar mythos? Long before the Christian era, Dionysus/Bacchus was said to turn water into wine, as related by A.J. Mattill:

"This story is really the Christian counterpart to the pagan legends of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who at his annual festival in his temple of Elis filled three empty kettles with wine-no water needed! And on the fifth of January wine instead of water gushed from his temple at Andros. If we believe Jesus' miracle, why should we not believe Dionysus's?" (Tim Leedom, The Book Your Church Does Not Want You To Read, 1993, p. 125.

Barbara Walker relates from her excellent book:

The story of his miracle at Cana was directly modeled on a Dionysian rite of sacred marriage celebrated at Sidon; even the Gospels' wording was copied from the festival of the older god (Barbara Walker, The Women's Encyclopedia Of Myths And Secrets, 1983, p. 464).urn water into wine!